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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start and so there are some programs that are scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are b
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are...
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deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to encounter opposition. one camp earlier said, "it's three strikes in my book and i will be voting no on this bill." the legislation would impose a hardship and fall short on addressing the need in spending. president obama praised the agreements. coats to place on the other side of the capital on issues other than the so-called fiscal cliff. -- votes took place on the other side of the capital. extra cash for the fight against al qaeda and the fight against foreign governments trying to spy on the united states. mike rogers said the bill holds personnel levels at
deficit reduction seems like a fair way to approach that. there are millions more people than available jobs. host: george zornick, thank you. late night for you. guest: i spent more time on new year's eve that i would have cared to. host: thank you for getting up early. next up, the conservative perspective from charles hurt. first a news update. >> john boehner is not endorsing the agreement on the so-called fiscal cliff. he has promised to vote on it right away. he is expected to...
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the same is true for any future deficit agreement. we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i am willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. we will have to do it in a responsible way. i am willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the costs of health care in this country. that is something which all agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future generations but the current trajectory of health care costs is going up so high that we have to find ways to make sure that it is sustainable. that kind of reform has to go hand in hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals, the biggest corporations, cannot take advantage of loopholes and deductions that are not available to most of the folks standing up here for most americans. there is still more work to be done in the tax code to make it fair even as we are also looking at how we can strengthen something like medicare. if republicans think i will finish the job of the defic
the same is true for any future deficit agreement. we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i am willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. we will have to do it in a responsible way. i am willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the costs of health care in this country. that is something which all agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future generations but the current trajectory of health care costs is going up...
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what happened was the greatest prosperity in modern history. 23 million jobs, no more deficits, we got to a balanced budget and i remember saying to my husband my goodness, what's going to happen? there won't be any more u.s. government bonds because we're going to be out of the debt situation. we saw -- we saw it on the horizon when george w. bush became president, he decided to go back, backwards on rates across the board from the wealthiest to the middle to the poor, and he put two wars on a credit card and we are where we are where we are. and to add to this history, we all know that we're coming out of the worst recession since the great depression. it has been difficult, led by, unfortunately, some unscrupulous people on wall street who created a nightmare in the housing market. i remember saying to treasury secretary paulsen can you explain the rule of derivatives here and what happened and how we got into this crisis? and he put his head in his hands, mr. president, and he said not now. i'll talk to you later. now, that's not a very encouraging thing when the secretary of the t
what happened was the greatest prosperity in modern history. 23 million jobs, no more deficits, we got to a balanced budget and i remember saying to my husband my goodness, what's going to happen? there won't be any more u.s. government bonds because we're going to be out of the debt situation. we saw -- we saw it on the horizon when george w. bush became president, he decided to go back, backwards on rates across the board from the wealthiest to the middle to the poor, and he put two wars on a...
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who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you say, one that would mean less money for seniors with the social security adjustment is off the table, are you more optimistic about getting a deal done. >> we still have a long way to go. >> what do you see as the major sticking point? >> one of the sticking pointing, what the republicans want to do is continue the 2010 agreement on lower estate tax rates, which means, chris, $120 billion tax break over a ten-year period for the top 0.2 of 1%. they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. thir
who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you...
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republicans don't care about deficit reduction. if they had they would have allowed it to take place and reduced the deficit. >> i am always interested in what he has to say. it is interesting, this vote asked, what do conservatives and republicans believe in the house and what do republicans believe? as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along with and they are going to get tax raises on rich people. and when we go off the physical cliff congress goes back into session. republicans are blamed for the bad economy and roger is right. the three programs, social security and medicare and medicaid have been untouched. roger, the reason i give this one cheer out of three cheers, i think he is right. the democrats are salivating to demonize and this deal is the best they are going to get. >> in this one, some people say, that the real hidden agenda is to break the pledge on tax cuts and break the
republicans don't care about deficit reduction. if they had they would have allowed it to take place and reduced the deficit. >> i am always interested in what he has to say. it is interesting, this vote asked, what do conservatives and republicans believe in the house and what do republicans believe? as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along...
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we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on the verge of getting at least 80%, maybe more, for at least 98% of the american people. that's a huge win. and once that revenue is off the table it's going to be very hard for democrats to ever put it back on the table. it actually forces them towards spending and entitlement reform in places they're historically uncomfortable. >> chris would you be more comfortable if we went back to those rates to consider a simpson-bowles overall tax reform? is that just gone? you know, the rate there was 28%. once you get back to 39% isn't it
we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on...
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this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is the smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or what's called the automatic spending cuts and that's what republicans have been suggesting if he raises more revenue raising taxes on the rich, he's not going to put it towards the deficit, but the president kind of suggested that today. >> and a question from the beginning and it's your segment, go ahead. >> i've been on the show for ten seconds, by first time on the "the five", you've interrupted me and contradicted me. >> there will be plenty more time for that, and welcome to "the five", and bob beckel. >> can i ask my question of ed. because ed, you mentioned that i had experience in dealing
this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is the smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or...
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we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want to lock that in. i think it's time for them to start paying their fair share, and they did under the clinton tax provisions that we had in place at that time. so to go back to the tax provisions that we had under bill clinton doesn't frighten me one bit. but now we hear the same song and dance from the republicans. if we do that, the sky's going to fall. the world will end tomorrow. the markets will just go all to heck. we heard that in 1993, and it was wrong. we're hearing it again today about what will happen if we go back to
we were paying down the deficit. things were going well under bill clinton, under that tax system, and that's what we'll go back to tomorrow. what's so bad about that? well, what's happened is in the last ten years a lot of people have gotten very rich in this country. very rich. and now they want to protect their wealth. and that's what they want to do. they want to lock in this system on estate taxes and lower tax rates up to $450,000 or $500,000 or a million or whatever they want. they want...
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so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending on unemployment benefits, those will continue as a part of this deal. it is complicated. it has very significant impact on the economy, on people's pocketbooks, and there has been sharp political divide for a very long time. that's the subject of the campaign on many levels, it will be a subject of campaigns for many of these members of congress in the future when they are up for reelection. but this represents a significant breakthrough after so much difficulty. much of the credit will probably go to mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. and alon
so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending...
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makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those conversations and discussions continue. we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. what happened between the two leaders in the senate had broken down, because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. host: a late word from "politico" from republican leader mitch mcconnell. let me read to you a story that he and the vice president engaged in "serious overnight negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff, making major progress to a year-end tax deal, giving seven h
makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those...
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don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would like spending cuts, but they would like -- they won't be ebbing mrift about exactly how do do it. >> i want to give luke the last word on this. >> is there a chance? just your kind of read on the final word on this, do we end today with some kind of a deal, or do they punt this and try to do it before january 3rd or not at all, just go over the cliff? >> i think that there's a possibility you could see a deal come out of the senate today, although i think if any deal comes out of the senate, the house will most likely vote on it tomorrow. i don't see a late night new year's eve vote
don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would...
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it's deficits that got us into this problem. it's only reducing deficits that get us out of this problem. >> senator, just to be clear, this reporting the democrats have offered, $450,000, your best information is that that has been accepted? >> no, that's not my best information, but it's my best belief that they've reached an agreement on revenues. what that level is, i don't know, but the question now is where those revenues go. if they go to new spending, we're going to have a problem making a deal because spending has been our problem. but if they go towards deficit reduction, which ultimately will be debt relief, that will be a good thing, and we probably will have a deal. >> senator, let's talk about the process very quickly. we are told the senate will come back into session at 11:00 this morning. that somehow reflects on the fact that seems to be a late start to the working day, but there's work being done right now. tell me what that work is. >> you know, any time you're putting a deal together, it's always the details
it's deficits that got us into this problem. it's only reducing deficits that get us out of this problem. >> senator, just to be clear, this reporting the democrats have offered, $450,000, your best information is that that has been accepted? >> no, that's not my best information, but it's my best belief that they've reached an agreement on revenues. what that level is, i don't know, but the question now is where those revenues go. if they go to new spending, we're going to have a...
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debt and deficit situation which is a serious issue still doesn't get us into a place like greece. the u.s. has certain flexibility in its financial and fiscal systems that other countries don't have. >> right. well that's true. we can print our own money so yes if we continue this profligate spending without sufficient money to pay for it, other countries can buy our debt. third world countries try that and it usually doesn't end well but another potential glitch is congress has to keep raising the debt limit to allow that kind of mechanism to continue so even though we can print our own currency which reduces the risk of a credit default, if congress refuses to raise the debt limit that could force default and increase problems for us. >> your book is called "bull by the horns" and do you think this is our government taking the bull by the horns this deal? >> no. i wish i could say it really is kicking the can down the road when it. they did make some decisions, permanent inflation indexing of the amt which is good, that's been going on for a long time. we've got permanent extens
debt and deficit situation which is a serious issue still doesn't get us into a place like greece. the u.s. has certain flexibility in its financial and fiscal systems that other countries don't have. >> right. well that's true. we can print our own money so yes if we continue this profligate spending without sufficient money to pay for it, other countries can buy our debt. third world countries try that and it usually doesn't end well but another potential glitch is congress has to keep...
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this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well, say that in reenacts the bush cuts for everybody up to $450,000. do it as a straight tax reduction. those who resisted it a week ago tax hike on the rich can argue it's not a hike, the hike already happened. but that is the only way to pre-empt obama extending all of this and making the republicans, fall guys for a hike in middle class taxes. >> bret: we're assuming it is past the senate. you have senators who have all expressed major concerns. >> you just know three most liberal senators, it's absurd, it should be million. >> you know anybody can stand up in the senate to caus
this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well,...
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they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody else in the country in order to get this demand met for the very wealthiest estates. this isn't even the top 1%. this is a fraction of 1%. while they want to give those folks a big break they want folks on social security to pay more. and so this is a major setback. it is interesting to hear mitch mcconnell talking about his good faith efforts. he knows that he just threw a monkey wrench into the negotiations y. think he is also doing it to protect speaker boehner and the republicans and the house because he doesn't want to send them a deal that he knows they are going to vote down. >> let's talk a
they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody...
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, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement reform, and reductions in spending. that didn't happen. we weren't able to get that deal. we got one piece of it, and that is going to help with economic growth because we made these lower tax rates permanent. that's going to help our economy grow, create revenue through growth rather than higher taxes. we have got to do the entitlement reform. we've got to find real savings, and it has to be in that $4 trillion range to reduce the deficit and debt, and i think that also is part of really getting the kind of economic growth we need wit
, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement...
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goes to the deficit in reality. it seems to me that that number comes up and is a political situation and what congress is really saying is that i am going to pander to the 98% because if i go to 125%, i will upset more of the electorate. i was listening to david brooks this morning and his comments that the real dysfunctional people are not necessarily congress, but the american people who are prepared to pass these deficits on to our grandchildren. >> have you looked at how any tax increases might affect you? had you planned for that at all? caller: i am comfortable enough, i am planned -- and i plan to give more. i would hope that most people in my financial situation would be prepared to do that. >> the democratic line is next, california. donna, hello. caller: i would like to state -- i think that one of our biggest problems is that the republican party has sold us out to grovers inquest. i think that everyone who took that pledge should be fired from the congress. they took an oath of office first. they have g
goes to the deficit in reality. it seems to me that that number comes up and is a political situation and what congress is really saying is that i am going to pander to the 98% because if i go to 125%, i will upset more of the electorate. i was listening to david brooks this morning and his comments that the real dysfunctional people are not necessarily congress, but the american people who are prepared to pass these deficits on to our grandchildren. >> have you looked at how any tax...
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both sides would have to come to a better, more balanced deficit and debt deal. it's hard to believe but that was almost two years ago. and now, with the clock winding down to the end of to 12, and the end of the fiscal cliff deadline, not a single piece of legislation has passed congress on this. at this hour, vice president biden is set to meet with senate democrats. you are looking live just outside of capitol hill there. we are waiting for his arrival. he will be meeting with senate democrats in hopes of ironing out a mini deal. is he actually trying to sell it to several key democratic senators who are skeptical to say the least. a big union leaders is weighing in as well. is he not happy with what he has heard of the deal so far. we're positioned just outside again for the vice president's arrival. then, inside, just outside the senate chamber, well it, there are the republicans, several senate republicans have already announced opposition. but, if whatever comes out, legislation wise makes it through the senate tonight somehow, how the house speaker and hi
both sides would have to come to a better, more balanced deficit and debt deal. it's hard to believe but that was almost two years ago. and now, with the clock winding down to the end of to 12, and the end of the fiscal cliff deadline, not a single piece of legislation has passed congress on this. at this hour, vice president biden is set to meet with senate democrats. you are looking live just outside of capitol hill there. we are waiting for his arrival. he will be meeting with senate...
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won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations take place, and we heard from senator thune in mike emanuel's report a minute ago what is the reaction of the business community at this function that is on display in our nation's capitol. >> despair, anger frustration. if you go forward into 2013 not addressing spending, in fact the president wants to raise spending on struc infrastructure you go forward into next year doing that with tax increases on upper income people and some small business owners you will slow the economy down. business does not want a slower economy, it wants a m
won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations...
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republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a little early. so, is the mood moving in the direction of a deal? is that what -- because it seemed like pessimism sort of toward the late afternoon yesterday. where are we right now, quickly? >> reporter: it does fluctuate. there is exasperation and frustration, especially from members here waiting to vote on something but have nothing to look at. they are wanting to see something done. the people closest to it tell us they are still working at it, that they see there isn't one particular issue that would make this all fall apart, but they're not there y
republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a...
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if they hadn't acted, you might see deficit reduction, but not in a way a lot of taxpayers would like. it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. a lot of talk about entitlement reform, about making the tax code a little different than it is now. so i think we'll have to see that in the coming year. >> astute observations, we'll watch it closely. i appreciate it. kristina the kick the can tringing game is not over. we'll have to say that many, many times over the next two months. >> i want to bring down some of the deal for you, reset the stage. we'll telling you about the dairy cliff. in addition to dealing with the fiscal cliff, it would extend federal farm policies through september, which means milk prices won't double and it nixes a set pay raise for members of congress. the white house scored an agreement to raise taxes on larger estates from 35% to 40%, but republicans said it should be adjusted annually for inflation, it would go 7.5% for individuals, and they would pay higher tax rates on investment profits and capital gains rising to 20%, and less than
if they hadn't acted, you might see deficit reduction, but not in a way a lot of taxpayers would like. it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. a lot of talk about entitlement reform, about making the tax code a little different than it is now. so i think we'll have to see that in the coming year. >> astute observations, we'll watch it closely. i appreciate it. kristina the kick the can tringing game is not over. we'll have to say that many, many times over the...
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number one they don't like the extension of unemployment benefits and think that adds to the deficit. they don't think there are enough spending cuts. they also don't like the extension of the middle class tax cuts that were the president's stimulus package. also some liberals don't like the bill because they feel it gives, takes away their leverage to argue for more taxes in the future in terms of deficit deals and the rest of them would only come by cuts. so what you're going to see is at noon, nancy pelosi is going to talk to the house democratic caucus. there have been some rumors that joe biden could come up here on new year's day to sell the plan, very much like he did to the senate ds earlier this morning. you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these typ
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it doesn't help make lowering future deficits any easier. so there are some things we need to change about the corporate tax code but in general i think we need to realize that if we set our country on the right path making the right investments in technology and education and really making sure we don't cut the necessary programs that can help us do that growth and so we have to make them a priority and perhaps deprioritize other spending areas we will be able to grow with the global economy . manufacturing has already come back to some degree i know that apple computers are actually moving a couple production facilities back to the united states from china. there's a real key is to make sure that we're continuing to invest in those types of investments and help us compete on a global scale. but we should also realize that it helps us when apple can produce their goods in china in a more cheap efficient manner than we could here because american consumers can get i pods and i phones on a much discounted basis from what it would be if we tri
it doesn't help make lowering future deficits any easier. so there are some things we need to change about the corporate tax code but in general i think we need to realize that if we set our country on the right path making the right investments in technology and education and really making sure we don't cut the necessary programs that can help us do that growth and so we have to make them a priority and perhaps deprioritize other spending areas we will be able to grow with the global economy ....
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biggest sticking points is should new leff new from tax increases be used to pay down the country's deficit or used to cover the cost of preventing sweeping government spending cuts? no ordinary sunday. arriving at the capitol, congressional leaders' every move and every word under scrutiny, as the country waits, weighing in from the white house, the president, who appeared on "meet the press," pushed republicans to give on taxes. >> i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> reporter: inside closed door negotiations this weekend, aipds say there have been "constructive move." on key issues like taxes, including compromise on where to set higher rates for wealthier americans and avoiding a jump in inheritance taxes. but this afternoon, republican leader mitch mcconnell complained that democrats had failed to deliver a promised counteroffer. so mcconnell called for help, phoning vice president biden who came to the white
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that's really the centerpiece of our deficit and debt challenge. but in the short term that is over the next year or two, i don't think we ought to be tackling the budget deficit. we have huge unemployment, a lot of underutilized capacity in this country. it's exactly the wrong time to embrace austerity economics. ali, if i can just make one more point. that is one thing that really worries me about this current agreement as it is being structured is it doesn't deal with the debt ceiling. there is no agreement on the debt ceiling, which means you're going to have beginning next week or even sooner, republicans and democrats engaged in the same sort of trench warfare we've had for years over raising the dents. and that debt ceiling. without an agreement, we're back to square zero. >> we agree on that point. great to see you both. thanks for staying up with us and happy new year to both of you. hope we don't have to talk again tonight. >> one of the main stumbling blocks in the fiscal cliff negotiations was that no-tax pledge most republicans signed
that's really the centerpiece of our deficit and debt challenge. but in the short term that is over the next year or two, i don't think we ought to be tackling the budget deficit. we have huge unemployment, a lot of underutilized capacity in this country. it's exactly the wrong time to embrace austerity economics. ali, if i can just make one more point. that is one thing that really worries me about this current agreement as it is being structured is it doesn't deal with the debt ceiling. there...
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this time bomb that the congress created was designed to deal with deficit and the debt. we won't get that right now. but we might get a plan to deal with taxes, to avoid the fiscal cliff, that's a win for the economy and the american people. >> john, it is joe johns in washington, d.c. we have heard so much about tax increases and how they're going to handle those and not so much about the spending cuts and my question to you is at the end of the day, are we going to end up essentially with some type of a plan that could add to the federal deficit instead of reduce it? >> you noticed that, huh? sequester hasn't really been the topic of much conversation. look, that is still unclear right now. obviously, again, the point of all of this, the reason that over 500 days ago we set the fiscal cliff with regard to the spending cuts and knew the bush tax cuts were expiring ten years ago on this date, that was an impetus to create bargain to deal with deficit and debt. what seems to be coming together now is largely, as you said, a planned focused on taxes. not just the tough tax
this time bomb that the congress created was designed to deal with deficit and the debt. we won't get that right now. but we might get a plan to deal with taxes, to avoid the fiscal cliff, that's a win for the economy and the american people. >> john, it is joe johns in washington, d.c. we have heard so much about tax increases and how they're going to handle those and not so much about the spending cuts and my question to you is at the end of the day, are we going to end up essentially...
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debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit, and then i'll let dan jump in. >> sure. >> look, the argument i'm hearing -- and i don't know what cuts the president is offering to the republicans -- but why doesn't he offer more? why doesn't he give them -- i mean, anything more that he offers would be better than going over the fiscal cliff. why can't we get to something? why can't he give enough significant cuts that would make some of these republicans in districts that will really have problems when they go back to win re-election, if they raise taxes, give them some sort of incentive. give them some serious c
debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit,...
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a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough. obviously, what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because they had come forward with a counter offer to what republicans said last night. hopefully the discussions between the vice-president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track and we will have a breakthrough and something we can vote on today or tomorrow to avert what we all believe would be an economic disaster. >> harry reid is as if you cannot come up with something by tonight that he will push a scaled-down version of what the president asked for, the tax cu
a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough....
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the deficit is going to swamp the economy. and at that point you're going to have the debt crisis, and you're going to need a whole new stream of revenues. the only thing that paul krugman and paul ryan agree on, only a value added tax will solve this problem. by raising marginal tax rates to get us out of this potential crisis. so we need very, very steep spending cuts, all of the emphasis and debate has been over marginal tax rates which are really a minor part of the solution, no matter what political strife you happen to be. have you to realize that tremendous spending cuts are necessary and already -- any changes to social security have been ruled out in a short term solution, and it's going to be very difficult. the congressmen from oklahoma were correct. that it's going to be hand to hand combat in the next session in order to get any kind of cuts. no one is talking about major cuts. >> sean -- >> except some on the republican side. >> i hear what you're saying, it sounds like, you know, i've read that this fiscal cliff
the deficit is going to swamp the economy. and at that point you're going to have the debt crisis, and you're going to need a whole new stream of revenues. the only thing that paul krugman and paul ryan agree on, only a value added tax will solve this problem. by raising marginal tax rates to get us out of this potential crisis. so we need very, very steep spending cuts, all of the emphasis and debate has been over marginal tax rates which are really a minor part of the solution, no matter what...
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the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i would just use three of the regulations he was putting off until after the election. one having to do with the boiler mac. it was the regulations on boilers. every manufacturer has a boiler. that would be $63 billion cost in taxes and 800,000 jobs. coal the same way. he actually did away with coal by having an emissions requirement where there is no technology that will reach it. that will be 1.65 million. the reason i mention these, i could be talking about a lot of different regulations. but if you add up these three regulations, that would be $100
the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i...
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we have a $16 trillion deficit right now. we have the deficit because of social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps -- all policies put into effect by the democratic party. everything is socialism. thomas jefferson said it best -- the republic is doomed. people sacrifice -- i'm a libertarian. i am more objective. i'm not a republican or democrats. i have to wonder if i want to live in this country. 29% of americans got some kind of assistance when ronald reagan was president. i have to consider and i'm considering moving to a tropical island and watching america go down the drain. we need to abolish social security, medicare, and medicaid. host: i will stop you there. we appreciate your thoughts. joseph says -- will go back to stay but by the president on the passing of norman schwarzkopf. host: "his legacy will e ndure." back to your calls. caller: good morning. god bless us. [indiscernible] where is the love? .e're at a church when the president and everybody was running. the church was all over the program.
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans that might be an avenue of success? >> there -- those conversations and discussions continue. and we remain hopeful that that will get a breakthrough. on veryiously, what had happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. so hopefully, the discussions between the vice president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track, hopefully get a breakthrough and something we can vote on, hopefully today or tomorrow that will avert what we believe will be an economic di
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some financial experts say the bigger issue is an out of control federal deficit. and that part of the deal still needs to be address the. >>> u.s. stock prices higher on this final day of the year. the dow industrials rose 156 points, the nasdaq was up 59. the markets had been flat all morning, but climbed after the president's remarks that a deal seemed close at hand. 2012 seemed to be a positive year for the markets overall. the dow was up 7%. s & s & p 500 15% and the nasdaq went up nearly 16% higher than when it started. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton is in the hospital treating a blood clot. doctors say she did not suffer a stroke and expect her to make a full recovery. however clots are potentially serious if not treated. they can lead to a hemorrhage inside the brain. it's believed this blood clot is related to the concussion secretary of state clinten suffered earlier this month. >>> the accident happened near the ma colome river bridge on highway 12 east of rio vista. first reports of the accident came in 9:15 this evening. highway 12 is closed in
some financial experts say the bigger issue is an out of control federal deficit. and that part of the deal still needs to be address the. >>> u.s. stock prices higher on this final day of the year. the dow industrials rose 156 points, the nasdaq was up 59. the markets had been flat all morning, but climbed after the president's remarks that a deal seemed close at hand. 2012 seemed to be a positive year for the markets overall. the dow was up 7%. s & s & p 500 15% and the...
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that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal with this bad economy right now. that's ending. there's no sign that's not going to end. everyone is going to pay a little more anyway. what we're worried about is this extra level on top. that is what many volters are paying attention to and that is the real bear in the woods that has democrats and republicans both worried about these negotiations. >> the clock, as you point out, is ticking, ticking, ticking right now. tom, thank you. >>> what's at stake for the millions of americans already out of a job once the country goes over the fiscal cliff? that and much more when our special coverage cont
that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal...
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we're doing things to embrace the deficit and the debt. slowly but we're doing it. >> the problem not having a budget really is fundamentally a problem. the government does all sorts of things, passes all sorts of resolutions whether you like this country or don't like that one, but the basic constitutional responsibility of the government is actually to have a budget. and a budget is the manifestation of your priorities generally speaking. that's the one thing that would just be great if we actually did. >> here we are where we're trying to sit down with our budgets and figure out what our priorities for the year, how are we going to live a little bit below our means so we can grow wealth and our government can't figure out a budget. >> i'd like it if they did that. >> my advice is deal with your own financials. >> good luck with that. one down, one to go. will the house go along with the fiscal cliff deal hammered out by the white house and the senate earlier this morning? we're going to have a live report from washington just ahead. >>
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we have a $1.3 trillion deficit for 2012. it will be about a trillion for 2013. we're borrowing 35 cents on the dollar. the enormous problem is interest rates are way below normal, so when they spike, which they inevitably will, and the government is borrowing very short term to keep its costs down, the deficit is going to swamp the economy. and at that point you're going to have the debt crisis, and you're going to need a whole new stream of revenues. the only thing that paul krugman and paul ryan agree on, in a crisis situation, only a value-added tax will solve this problem. by raising marginal tax rates to get us out of this potential crisis. so we need very, very steep spending cuts, all of the emphasis and debate has been over marginal tax rates which are really a minor part of the solution, no matter what political strife you happen to be. you have to realize that tremendous spending cuts are necessary and already the -- any changes to social security have been ruled out in a short-term solution and it's going to be very difficult, congressman from oklahom
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part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing, for example, in rebuilding our infrastructure, which is broken. and, you know, if we are putting people back to work rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools, in part, paying for it by some of these broader, long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow our economy at a time while setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, we have a long-term opportunity around energy. america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time? that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its growth trends if suddenly we have a huge fight taken out of the average americ
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we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you, mara. >> so who won, who lost? who compromised and who held firm? where does this leave embattled house speaker john boehner? reed wilson is editor-in-chief for national journal's hotline. thank you both for being here today. ryan, let's talk about what we'll see in the house. do you expect a full scale revolt from conservative members who vowed to vote against any tax increase? >> well, i don't know. we'll find out early this afternoon. what i'm hearing is that the conservative members have three major problems with the bill that came over from the senate. one is that ther
we need to reduce the deficit. we know we need to reduce spending. any deal in the future that is the rest of this deal and brings it to completion is going to need to have both revenue and spending cuts and we're going to need to make sure that we add entitlement savings. we have that opportunity. the republicans just need to continue to get more of their members to agree to say yes. >> all right. congresswoman debby wassermann schultz, thanks so much for your time. >> thank you,...
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we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most important issue, but it's the central one. grover norquist told you his strong opposition to any tax increases of any sort. many republicans share his view. let's look at the economy. obviously across the board tax increases would hurt the economy. but what will the real economic reaction be to small tax increases on the wealthiest americans? now, annie lowrie of the "new york times" is still with us. i always have to make sure my viewers understand i am not advocating for tax increases on the rich. i want to explain what could happen. i want to bring in jean za
we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most...
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it will increase the size of the deficit. if you are looking for ways to fix the problem, we have the biggest place to go in terms of cuts. ashley: thank you so much. thank you for joining us. shibani: the city of chicago is number one and parking costs. giving chicago the most expensive parking meters in the country. downtown residents can look forward, starting tomorrow, to paying $6.50 for parking in 2013. up from the current rate of $5.75. back in 2008, former mayor richard daley agreed to release the parking meters to a private company. the city in turn received a billion dollars as part of the agreement. current mayor is investigating the deal, but, in the meantime, all meters will be set to the new rate to the end of february. get your quarters out. bring your dollar bills, i guess. ashley: take the bus. shibani: the midnight deadline is fast approaching. will there be a framework to avoid the fiscal cliff? ashley: up to the minute coverage from washington. guess what, republicans should just walk away now. oh, boy. â™
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cut the deficit. however, we can cut the deficit by taxing the wealthy more and $250,000 is wealthy. they also will not consider cutting corporations loopholes or raising taxes on corporations. they will not consider cutting military even though we have gotten out of one war. if we cut poor people top fund military corporations and the wealthy we're going to hurt our economy. it's going to -- our economy is going to tank. host: that is joeian. once again, waiting for house to come back -- they are in recess subject to the call of the chair. as our guests of the "washington times" told us when they come back into the session, the rules committee has to come back first to create the rules for the current senate bill or amend the bill. we have a lot going on today on this first year of 2013. this is the current 112th congress. the new congress gets seated, 113th congress gets seated on thursday. a lot of these members that are taking part in the discussion will not be in the next congress. so that new co
cut the deficit. however, we can cut the deficit by taxing the wealthy more and $250,000 is wealthy. they also will not consider cutting corporations loopholes or raising taxes on corporations. they will not consider cutting military even though we have gotten out of one war. if we cut poor people top fund military corporations and the wealthy we're going to hurt our economy. it's going to -- our economy is going to tank. host: that is joeian. once again, waiting for house to come back -- they...
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a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough. obviously, what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because they had come forward with a counter offer to what republicans said last night. hopefully the discussions between the vice-president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track and we will have a breakthrough and something we can vote on today or tomorrow to avert what we all believe would be an economic disaster. >> harry reid is as if you cannot come up with something by tonight that he will push a scaled-down version of what the president asked for, the tax cu
a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough....
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the republicans want to use it to reduce the deficit. the democrats want to ease spending cuts for another year or so. gregg? gregg: wendell goler, thank you very much, live at the white house. we switch to the other end of the avenue and there is house speaker john boehner just arriving and, let's listen. >> [inaudible]. gregg: wow, we got a ephappy new year out of eric cantor. maybe i couldn't hear and maybe the speaker said something. we couldn't make it out. we'll try to find out from mike emanuel there at the capitol. heather: very big place. very tall ceiling. gregg: very cavernous. the audio is awful. heather: cavernous, that is good word for it. let's look how much money the fiscal cliff tax hikes could cost your family. this is it. if your annual income between 20 and $30,000 your tax bill could go up $1200 next year. that jumps to more than 1700 for those making 40 and 50,000. the fiscal cliff will cost those making 75 and 100 grand more than $3500. and while those making between 200 and 500,000 will be paying about $14,000 mor
the republicans want to use it to reduce the deficit. the democrats want to ease spending cuts for another year or so. gregg? gregg: wendell goler, thank you very much, live at the white house. we switch to the other end of the avenue and there is house speaker john boehner just arriving and, let's listen. >> [inaudible]. gregg: wow, we got a ephappy new year out of eric cantor. maybe i couldn't hear and maybe the speaker said something. we couldn't make it out. we'll try to find out from...